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Posted 19 March 2009 - 04:39 PM

Event Title: Internet Explorer 8
Event Owner: ourstanley
Event Calendar: Calendar of Updates
Event Date: March 19th 2009
Topic Starter: Donna
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NOTE: Please view the Comments in this entry before UPGRADING to IE8. Especially if you are using protections by Spybot S&D, IE-SPYAD and others.

Fast, safe, and easy. Internet Explorer 8 takes the web experience beyond the page for quicker and more reliable for browsing with peace of mind.

Internet Explorer 8: Worldwide sites

Select your country/region from the list below then Select your Operating System from the list, and click the link to access your download.

http://www.microsoft...wide-sites.aspx

You can also download IE8 from MS Download Center:
IE8 for Vista 32-bit: http://www.microsoft...;displaylang=en
IE8 for Vista 64-bit: http://www.microsoft...0b-bc37bd6ab70c
IE8 for XP 32-bit: http://www.microsoft...03-08cdecd8852b
IE8 for XP 64-bit: http://www.microsoft...ac-9531f4feef47




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This post has been edited by Donna: 20 March 2009 - 07:53 PM
Reason for edit: added Note to read first the comments


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Posted 19 March 2009 - 04:41 PM

Thanks, Ray. I'm happy to be able to download it fast because I able to choose the download server in my location. It took less than 2 minutes to get the installer.

FAQ : http://www.microsoft...upport/faq.aspx
Known issues, Compatibility issues and Release notes : http://go.microsoft..../?LinkId=124056 or http://msdn.microsof...s/dd441788.aspx

Oh and the blog entry by IE Team is at http://blogs.msdn.co...ilable-now.aspx

Edit: I installed it on Vista that do not have IE8 Beta. For users who want to see the installer window:

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Post icon  Posted 19 March 2009 - 08:19 PM

View PostDonna, on Mar 19 2009, 12:41 PM, said:

Thanks, Ray. I'm happy to be able to download it fast because I able to choose the download server in my location. It took less than 2 minutes to get the installer.

FAQ : http://www.microsoft...upport/faq.aspx
Known issues, Compatibility issues and Release notes : http://go.microsoft..../?LinkId=124056 or http://msdn.microsof...s/dd441788.aspx

Oh and the blog entry by IE Team is at http://blogs.msdn.co...ilable-now.aspx

Edit: I installed it on Vista that do not have IE8 Beta. For users who want to see the installer window:
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I'm utilizing it and I love it!

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Posted 19 March 2009 - 08:42 PM

I have posted numerous other related downloads from Microsoft for this in the thread in the Microsoft Updates forum at our sister site LnR. I will continue to add more as they are released. You do not need to be a member to view them but any new members will be welcome to join. :)
http://www.lognrock....?showtopic=8379

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Posted 19 March 2009 - 08:45 PM

Got it, and so far it seems like a likeable browser. We'll see though!!!!

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Posted 19 March 2009 - 09:29 PM

I have been using the Rc1 without any problems downloaded the complete version now. I can not as yet see any great difference between this and the Rc1, but it is a great improvement on IE7. Already I've noticed that there are those making claims and counter claims about it, so I'd say don't take any notice of those give it a try and see what you think. I personally like it, but then there are many things I like with firefox as well so I use both:happy:

This post has been edited by seti: 20 March 2009 - 08:17 AM


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Posted 20 March 2009 - 01:12 AM

Thanks folks!
For some reason I cannot get it to download!!
just sits there, any help?

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Posted 20 March 2009 - 01:29 AM

Hi G,

You can try to download from their download center:

IE8 for Vista 32-bit: http://www.microsoft...;displaylang=en
IE8 for Vista 64-bit: http://www.microsoft...0b-bc37bd6ab70c
IE8 for XP 32-bit: http://www.microsoft...03-08cdecd8852b
IE8 for XP 64-bit: http://www.microsoft...ac-9531f4feef47

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Posted 20 March 2009 - 01:44 AM

Donna thanks first link went well
little strange on the pop-ups, but will figure that out soon
enough.
I like it, scotty is getting alot of pop-ups as well ;)

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Posted 20 March 2009 - 04:42 AM

Very slow to load when you have immunization on from Spybot SD and SpywareBlaster. When removing the immunization, IE8 loads extremely fast. Any suggestions of how to enable immunization and have IE8 startup fast?

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Posted 20 March 2009 - 06:30 AM

View PostDonna, on Mar 19 2009, 06:29 PM, said:

Hi G,

You can try to download from their download center:

IE8 for Vista 32-bit: http://www.microsoft...;displaylang=en
IE8 for Vista 64-bit: http://www.microsoft...0b-bc37bd6ab70c
IE8 for XP 32-bit: http://www.microsoft...03-08cdecd8852b
IE8 for XP 64-bit: http://www.microsoft...ac-9531f4feef47
What da..... :hmm:

First link in IE-SPYAD restricted zone?? Why?

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Posted 20 March 2009 - 07:08 AM

Can't get IE8 to install.

It just says IE 8 didn't install, restart and check the 'IE troubleshooting' link on desktop, which carries zero info about IE8, but loads of it on IE7.

Help pages are useless.

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Posted 20 March 2009 - 07:41 AM

IE8 installed seems to have an impact on the whole OS, explorer.exe using cpu like never before, very long halts to start certain programs, including IE8 itself. I do have Spybot immunization and SpywareBlaster as mentioned by another user. Cleaned up all I could (Registry was practically not dirty). Restored ghost copy, back to IE7 until I know what went wrong.

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Posted 20 March 2009 - 08:41 AM

well i installed ie8 on my pc with no problems win xp mce sp3 but i disabled spywareblaster but
on my friends pc that has teen girls that i had put zonedout with ie-spyads and spybot s&d immunization
and spywareblaster with ie7 then installed ie8 i had all kinds of trouble getting her administrator account
to load and could not open nothing and explorer.exe crashed but on the restart i could get in to the kids
limited account but on hers it would not all load

so i had to go in to safe mode and uninstall internet explorer 8 then i could get in to her account
and then i turned off the proection of zonedout,spybot,spywareblaster and tryed again to install ie8
and it install with no problems and her account works fine so i enabled spywareblaster and all seems
ok but when i did zonedout again the samething happend so i had to uninstall ie8 again in safe mode
and reinstall ie8 again

so now i uninstalled spybot s&d and i'm not going to use zonedout but spywareblaster seems ok so far
with ie8 :crossfinger:

:whew:

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Posted 20 March 2009 - 10:36 AM

It installed fine on Vista 32 Home Premium. Nothing really ground breaking....a list of the features (and some of my predominantly negative commentary):



Compatibility View

Internet Explorer 8 is a new release and some websites may not yet be ready for Internet Explorer 8. Click the Compatibility View toolbar button to display the
website as viewed in Internet Explorer 7, which will correct display problems like misaligned text, images, or text boxes. Per site basis.

- I geuss this is kinda useful...at least it means websites won't be breaking so much.


Enhanced Tabbed Browsing

Automatic Tab Grouping - tabs with similar content are grouped with the same colour.

I guess if your opening up 30/40 different tabs this is a problem...or if you have very small screen width that the name of the site is blocked out. Just for myself I don't see this as a useful new feature per se. I think firefox has something similar.

Better Find On Page

- Stolen from Firefox.



Smarter Address Bar

Can't remember the full address of a new website you visited last week? Type a few characters in the new Address Bar and Internet Explorer 8 will automatically recall sites you've already visited based on your entry. It searches across your History, Favorites, and RSS Feeds, displaying matches from the website address or any part of the URL.

- Firefox and Opera both have had this for a while. So stolen again.


Browse with InPrivate

Start InPrivate Browsing and your browsing activities, history and cookies are not retained, and third party web content providers may be hindered from tracking your online activities without your consent.

-Stolen from Chrome



Reopen closed tabs

Reopen a tab that you've closed in your current browsing session, which can be helpful when a tab is accidentally or prematurely closed.
- Opera definetly has this function..the undo function as I call it. Ctrl Z all the way :D


Reopen your last browsing session

Reopen all tabs that were open when Internet Explorer 8 was last closed, which can be useful if you accidentally close the browser.


I am not sure whether any browser has that.....I guess it wouldnt matter because most have an extensive history. Lots have recovery features if its closed by say the machine restarting, but not a whole sesion just like that.



Improved Zoom

Adaptive Page Zoom improves upon traditional zoom-in/zoom-out functionality in the browser by intelligently relaying out the page content and eliminating the need to scroll left and right.

- Useful I guess, but nothing special.


A better back button

When using rich applications such as mapping on the Internet, you may be taken to the beginning of the application instead of the previous page when you hit the back button. Now when you hit the back button, more pages will behave the way you expect.

- I always thought those sort of pages, such as filling out forms, could not be brought back because they all use the same address and just change the content within the page. Are Microsoft saying they can be brought back?


Enhanced Favorites Bar

Now there's a better place to keep track of your top favorites. You can save Favorites, RSS Feeds, and Web Slices to the Favorites bar that appears across the top of the browser, quickly navigating to the sites and content that you care about most.

- Opera steal!!


One Click Favorites

Press the One Click Add to Favorites bar button and immediately add the page you're browsing to the Favorites Bar, saving you extra clicks.

- Not sure if any other browser has this, but never found it that neccessary. You will only be adding favourites to taht personal bar occasionally...not all the time.


RSS feeds on Favorites bar

The Favorites bar has been updated so you can drag an RSS feed to your Favorites bar, making it easier to see when important feeds are updated.

- Ummm okayyy...


History sorting

The new Browsing History view allows you to sort your history by Site Name, Most Visited Sites, Order Visited Today, and Date, making it easier to organize and locate sites in your history.

- I thought even the old IE had this feature...I guess Most Visited is new....


History searching

In Internet Explorer 8, you can search for pages in history by typing keywords, making it easier to locate sites when browsing your history.

- Opera/Firefox steal.


Search suggestions

Have you ever forgotten the complete title of a book you were hoping to find or the first name of the actor in last night's movie? The new search capabilities in Internet Explorer 8 will offer relevant suggestions as you type words into the search box to help save time

-Lots of browsers have this, but I have never liked it much.


Visual search

Internet Explorer 8 is partnering with top search providers like Live Search, Wikipedia, Yahoo, Amazon, and more to deliver "visual search" images that provide you with immediate answers.

- I really don't like the way this is going in all the browsers. I don't want users to get reliant on searching for things through their browser like that. A simple piece of code, I am sure, could redirect you to a place where the searches all lead to other nasties. No sir...not for me. I don't want one toolbars with search engines and the like on my browser or that show me images. If they want to do that, then let the search engine provider do that, not the browser. (Can see it slowing browsing speed and showing images you just don't want to see).


Web Slices

Using Web Slices, you can keep up with frequently updated sites directly from the new Favorites Bar. If a Web Slice is available on a page, a green Web Slices icon will appear in the upper-right hand corner of the browser.
When new information becomes available, the Web Slice will become highlighted. When you click on the Web Slice in the Favorites Bar, it previews relevant information. Clicking on the preview takes you directly to the site for more information.

- I dont know about this. I really don't. Every webslice you subscribe to, will surely be draining your connection in some way or the other. Or is there some simple text file in all websites that they can check to see if their is updated content? I can see if you have like 50 webslices your going to be draining your internet connection as it connects to each of these.....Its one thing to load up just the text from RSS feeds, but this will actually load the whole page in mini form.

Although I know many many people who will probably love this - I am just not one of them. It smells of laziness and it just takes one bad webslice I suspect, and you've suddenly got something loading **** onto your machine in that preview box.


Tab isolation

If a website or add-on causes a tab to crash in Internet Explorer 8, only that tab is affected. The browser itself remains stable and other tabs remain unaffected, thereby minimizing any disruption to your browsing experience.

- Chrome stealing...


Crash recovery

If one or more of your tabs unexpectedly closes or crashes, your tabs are automatically reloaded and you are returned to the site you were on before the crash.


- I think all the browsers have this now.



Smart Screen Filter

Internet Explorer 8 helps protect you against inadvertent installation of malware, or malicious software which can compromise your data, privacy, and identity while also damaging your computer and valuable data, with the new SmartScreen Filter.

If the SmartScreen Filter is active and you attempt to visit a website that isn't considered safe, the a promptl appears offering you to take alternative actions.

- An enhancment to my mind of their Phishing filter..not a bad idea. Though I do wonder if they are connecting to a Microsoft website each time you browse to confirm if the site is safe, or if they are doing like Firefox does and downloads a big 50Mb file that stores the names of all those websites which are dodgy.


Accelerators

How many steps does it take with your current browser to map an address, translate a word, or perform other routine tasks online? Until now it was likely a series of cutting and pasting information from one webpage to another. Now there's a better way. The new Accelerators in Internet Explorer 8 help you quickly perform your everyday browsing tasks without navigating to other websites to get things done. Simply highlight text from any webpage, and then click on the blue Accelerator icon that appears above your selection to obtain driving directions, translate and define words, email content to others, search with ease, and more.

- Seems like a Widget/Extension to me.....



For more on features:
http://www.microsoft...-...d=1&catid=1



All in all, its not a bad IE browser. Its actually quite good and fast. Its just that sooooo many of the good ideas are already stolen or already implemented in other browsers. Its like Microsoft haven't got anyone with the creativity to do these things themselves. Technically i am not faulting them, just the imagination or the common sense needed to think "what can I do to enhance a browser" - they just don't have that.

So you end up with a browser with a hell of a lot of good features, but all that have been implemented previously. Eg the Isolated Tab & Private browsing- an excellent idea but stolen from google. In that respect, Microsoft don't quite the Kudos from me...I still hold back on it. I guess by stealing from other people, they have taken the best of all the browsers and tried to make a browser with all those features in one.

The problem is though, there is no innovation really. Now I could be eating my words in a few months time when i discover some little known feature...but I will say one thing. If this is the browser that is going to be installed as Default on Operating systems from now on, the other Browsers better start making some serious improvements.

It seems like a safe, fast browser with lots of features. If I had not been using lots of other browsers for so long with their additional extra features such as speed dial, I could see no possible reason to change. (And that is a compliment!!).






You know what astounds me though? There best feature they didnt really name at all. I was like..wow.

The number one new feature for IE, isnt any of the above. To me its one of the simplest features of all...

The highlighting of the domain name.

Thats an amazing feature...now when you click on one of those really long fradulent links that has say Amazon or some such in it, you will be shown the Domain name in bold!!! Briliant idea so you can see straight off where your at.

No more, this looks like my banking website but I don't know...for instance an Amazon Phish (already been reported many times, so ignore the red alert factor!):


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Notice how uncas is bolded up...making it very easy to tell thsi is a phishing website!!!

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Posted 20 March 2009 - 10:46 AM

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Its just that sooooo many of the good ideas are already stolen or already implemented in other browsers.
I don't think it matters who (or is it whom? no - correct as is) borrowed which idea from whom (or is it who? no - correct as is)
The Mac forums are loaded with people complaining that Windows borrowed many of their ideas from Mac.
Mac's new Safari browser borrowed some ideas from Opera (as did Firefox's extension authors)
My wife points out that the US Constitution borrowed many of the ideas from the Old Testament.
Does it matter if Toyota borrowed some of their ideas from Henry Ford (who borrowed the idea from someone else)?
Bill Gates (and Microsoft) didn't 'invent' DOS, they borrowed it from someone else.
Every airline manufacturer borrowed the Wright brothers' idea.
In the 1960s every NFL field goal kicker kicked the ball straight. One guy started kicking it 'soccer style' and now everyone does.
A good idea is a good idea.
The only thing that matters is if the product provides a good user experience.
If it does and people like using it, great!

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Posted 20 March 2009 - 12:00 PM

If Microsoft copied InPrivate it definitely wasn't from Chrome. IE8 Beta 2, which was released even before Google announcing Chrome, already had InPrivate.

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Posted 20 March 2009 - 04:24 PM

View Postmoghrabi, on Mar 19 2009, 08:42 PM, said:

Very slow to load when you have immunization on from Spybot SD and SpywareBlaster. When removing the immunization, IE8 loads extremely fast. Any suggestions of how to enable immunization and have IE8 startup fast?


Sam, I just tried to upgrade IE8 again on Vista (after I allow SteadyState's Disk Protection to trash the changes on my system drive) and before upgrading to IE8, I double-check that the following is enabled:
1. SS&D Immunization
2. SpywareBlaster immunization
3. IE-SPYAD using ZonedOut - NOTE: In IE-SPYAD website, IE8 is not listed as compatible browser.

I able to reproduce your issue and there's no solution for now other than, disable immunization or go back to IE7 (until the authors will fix the compatibility issue of those protection for IE8). We have to understand that IE8 is new and there are changes on it.

View PostPluto, on Mar 19 2009, 11:41 PM, said:

IE8 installed seems to have an impact on the whole OS, explorer.exe using cpu like never before, very long halts to start certain programs, including IE8 itself. I do have Spybot immunization and SpywareBlaster as mentioned by another user. Cleaned up all I could (Registry was practically not dirty). Restored ghost copy, back to IE7 until I know what went wrong.

I able to reproduce that also today in XP only but not in Vista.
The CPU usage is 100% when upgrading from IE7 to IE8, if there's restricted sites entries and IE is immunized using SS&D, SpywareBlaster... before or after the upgrade.

View Postlurkingatu2, on Mar 20 2009, 12:41 AM, said:

well i installed ie8 on my pc with no problems win xp mce sp3 but i disabled spywareblaster but
on my friends pc that has teen girls that i had put zonedout with ie-spyads and spybot s&d immunization
and spywareblaster with ie7 then installed ie8 i had all kinds of trouble getting her administrator account
to load and could not open nothing and explorer.exe crashed but on the restart i could get in to the kids
limited account but on hers it would not all load

so i had to go in to safe mode and uninstall internet explorer 8 then i could get in to her account
and then i turned off the proection of zonedout,spybot,spywareblaster and tryed again to install ie8
and it install with no problems and her account works fine so i enabled spywareblaster and all seems
ok but when i did zonedout again the samething happend so i had to uninstall ie8 again in safe mode
and reinstall ie8 again

so now i uninstalled spybot s&d and i'm not going to use zonedout but spywareblaster seems ok so far
with ie8 :crossfinger:

:whew:

I think you don't need to remove SS&D, just disable the immunization :)
You can still use SS&D to scan the system and when Spybot team fixed this issue, it should alright to immunized again.
In http://forums.spybot...ead.php?t=46864 there is a report also by user about the "hang" with IE8 if SS&D immunization is enabled.

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Posted 20 March 2009 - 04:57 PM

Uninstalled ie7Pro and sitehound. Installed ie8. Took all of 7 minutes and lookin' good! So far?????

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Posted 20 March 2009 - 05:15 PM

Good to hear there's no problem there, Lyle. It's one of the thing we should be doing: Remove any add-ons that is not compatible with the new browser (only if the user want to upgrade to new version of the browser)
IE-SPYAD for example, is not compatible with IE7. At least the IE-SPYAD site says:

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This ad/spy server "Restricted Zone" list can be used with the following versions of Internet Explorer:
Internet Explorer 7.0
Internet Explorer 6.0 (incl. SP1)
Internet Explorer 5.5 (incl. SP1 & SP2)
Internet Explorer 5.01 (incl. SP1 & SP2)
Internet Explorer 5.0
Internet Explorer 4.01 (incl. SP1 & SP2)
Internet Explorer 4.0


ZonedOut was last updated last year so we also need to wait until there's new edition, if any before we can use IE-SPYAD for ZonedOut.

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