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IOBit Steals Malwarebytes' Intellectual Property

#1 User is offline   Donna 

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Posted 02 November 2009 - 09:13 PM

Malwarebytes.org got evidence that IObit steals Malwarebytes' intellectual property
http://www.malwareby...showtopic=29681

Marcin got a request to everyone to help fight IObit:

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Malwarebytes has recently uncovered evidence that a company called IOBit based in China is stealing and incorporating our proprietary database and intellectual property into their software. We know this will sound hard to believe, because it was hard for us to believe at first too. But after an indepth investigation, we became convinced it was true. Here is how we know.

We came across a post on the IOBit forums that showed IOBit Security 360 flagging a specific key generator for our Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware software using the exact naming scheme we use to flag such keygens: Don't.Steal.Our.Software.A.

Dont.Steal.Our.Software.A, File, G:\Nothing Much\Anti-Spyware\Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware v1.39\Key_Generator.exe, 9-30501

Why would IOBit detect a keygen for our software and refer to it using our database name? We quickly became suspicious. Either the forum post was fraudulent or IOBit was stealing our database.

So we dug further. We accumulated more similar evidence for other detections, and we soon became convinced that this was not a mistake, it was not a coincidence, it was not an isolated event, and it persisted presently in their current database. They are using both our database and our database format exactly.

The final confirmation of IOBit's theft occurred when we added fake definitions to our database for a fake rogue application we called Rogue.AVCleanSweepPro. This "malware" does not actually exist: we made it up. We even manufactured fake files to match the fake definitions. Within two weeks IOBit was detecting these fake files under almost exactly these fake names.

We can't publicly show all the evidence we found, because it is still our intellectual property: proprietary information about our database internals. But we don't want you to have to take our word for it either, so we found a way to show you an example illustrating an indisputable pattern of theft.

Consider the file, "dummy.exe". It is a harmless dummy executable that runs, displays a "Hello World" message box, and exits. You can see from third-party scans on VirusTotal, that no other security vendor flags this executable as malicious or even suspicious.

We created this dummy executable, then manipulated it slightly so that it matches one of the signatures in our database. We emphasize that it is still not malicious! -- the signature is perfectly benign, when not in the context of actual malware, as you can see from the VirusTotal results.

We scanned the file with our own Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware software and indeed it was flagged as "Don't.Steal.Our.Software.A". We scanned it with IOBit using their current build and database version and it was flagged as the same "Don't.Steal.Our.Software.A". We have included their log file and a screenshot of the detection. You can verify by yourself using the dummy executable and their most recent database.

We have attached two other such dummy executables to this post, so you can see for yourself. One of them, "rogue.exe", matches our fake Rogue.AVCleanSweepPro (screenshot) definition, the other "fake.exe", matches an Adware.NaviPromo definition (screenshot). VirusTotal results for "fake.exe" and "rogue.exe" so you can see they are benign. You can see a screenshot of our detections here.

During the course of our investigation, we uncovered additional evidence that IOBit may have stolen the proprietary databases of other security vendors as well. We are in the process of contacting these vendors.

Malwarebytes intends to pursue legal action against IOBit. We demand IOBit immediately remove all traces of Malwarebytes' proprietary research and database from their software. We also demand IOBit be delisted from Download.com due to Terms of Service violations. This is criminal: it is theft, it is fraud, and we will not stand for it.

What can you do to help? If you feel the same way we do about this theft, we encourage you to send an email to hosting services such as Download.com and Majorgeeks.com requesting that all IOBit software be removed.


http://www.malwareby...showtopic=29681
Marcin's blog: http://malwarebytes.besttechie.net/2009/11...ctual-property/

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 01:59 AM

Just felt I would post this here in support of Marcin at Malwarebytes. This is a damn shame!!

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Malwarebytes has recently uncovered evidence that a company called IOBit based in China is stealing and incorporating our proprietary database and intellectual property into their software. We know this will sound hard to believe, because it was hard for us to believe at first too. But after an indepth investigation, we became convinced it was true. Here is how we know.

We came across a post on the IOBit forums that showed IOBit Security 360 flagging a specific key generator for our Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware software using the exact naming scheme we use to flag such keygens: Don't.Steal.Our.Software.A.


http://www.malwareby...showtopic=29681

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 02:21 AM

Had, notice I said had their defrag program on my machine. Well bye bye. Hope Gizmo's and Majorgeeks doesn't take the same attitude on this one, like apparently they have done with COMODO. Just a suggestion, but the owners of all security sites should ban together and send emails to all the software distribution sites requesting they pull this companies products off their sites.

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This post has been edited by wildman: 03 November 2009 - 02:31 AM


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Posted 03 November 2009 - 02:29 AM

I know I did not like them.

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 02:39 AM

Thanks for moving/merging this I looked and did not see the topic.

I hope all the sites that have IOBit downloads drops them.

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 03:24 AM

This company made a HUGE mistake doing this. There are blogs EVERYWHERE about it already. I lost count of them.

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 03:50 AM

View Postroddy32, on Nov 2 2009, 07:24 PM, said:

This company made a HUGE mistake doing this. There are blogs EVERYWHERE about it already. I lost count of them.


So it sounds like "Your going Down down down".

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 04:11 AM

Lead paint in kids toys. poison chicken, unsafe tires now IOBit, based in Chengdu.. Another scruples less China corporation

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 04:24 AM

While the evidence presented by Malwarebytes is very convincing, I think it is unfair that IObit has essentially been tried and convicted before they have had a chance to respond. This matter should have been first dealt with by both companies, with legal representation if necessary, in private. I don't agree with how Malwarebytes has handled this situation at all, which was to consciously and effectively use the public to ruin the reputation of IObit and potentially close them down altogether.

Just take a look at what's already going on at WOT's rating for IObit.

I don't use any IObit software myself and am not trying to defend them, but I do believe everyone has a right to present a defense before being judged. Sadly, because of the way this has been handled, it may already be too late for IObit.

What's happened today, well... It's just not cricket!



Edit: Wording.

This post has been edited by RedDawn: 03 November 2009 - 07:22 AM


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Posted 03 November 2009 - 07:52 AM

IObit is denies stealing of MBAM database

After they deleted posts by their members and I even saw a banned member account... IObit respond. They said "Declaration from IObit"

http://forums.iobit....read.php?t=4807
Posted by Krissy Nov.3, 05:10 AM

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We have never used the database of any other companies. And hope Malwarebytes stop spreading malicious rumors for hyping itself. The ridiculousness: who will trust and depend on a security product that can NOT even protect itself?

A legal letter will be released later, which will prove that there is no problem with Intellectual Property Rights.

For the sake of avoiding dispute and possible problems, we have deleted all disputed items in our database temporarily, and have updated IObit Security 360’s database.

Our database is from the online submission form: http://db.iobit.com/...ubmit/index.php

We also have many various sources of malware samples from warm-hearted users, computer security fans, and major security groups from all over the world. We have admitted that it’s hard to avoid mistakes, like a silly or duplicated name. But there is in no way means we steal Malwarebytes’ or any other's database. We are investigating and tracking on those items which Malwarebytes declared stolen.

We have so many independent and objective reviewing tests and reports; everybody can download and view from the link: http://forums.iobit....isplay.php?f=25. We believe that, after viewing these test report, you can judge that if we steal database from Malwarebytes.

Thanks for the always support of IObit users.


Another post from the same thread is made by Tim Xue:

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As a new face in anti spyawre market, we have many various sources of malware samples from warm-hearted users, computer security fans, and major security groups from all over the world.

We built honeypot, FTP server to collect malware samples all over the world. I took many screenshot to show how we keep samples everyday. We have a large team to collect and analyze lots of samples everyday, if we steal their database, why our staffs are working hard everyday to analyze tuns of samples? We cannot let everyone access the malware and virus samples from our FTP server, but you can check the screenshot I took.

Also as a new face, we have some open submit channel like this page, http://db.iobit.com/...ubmit/index.php, everyone can submit samples here, write description for the sample submitted. I admit that maybe some of our staff didn't do enough test and put the data into our database, so there is the mistake. I don't know who submitted those wrong sample, but we will try our best to find it out.

Also, you can see that the dabase size are much different, ours is 4.6MB their database is 3.1MB, and they said we steal database from many vendor, please tell me who they are and why we need so many people collect and analyze the sample?

Also Malwarebytes CEO wrote to us before for asking us stopping our open tests but we denied. He told us that he would take some action and we did not imagine that he did such a thing: calling malwarebytes users bury IObit and IObit products (not only IObit Security 360).


When a member asked how they will explain that their program is using the same detection name that MBAM is using (the bait detection signature :D )
The response is maybe? LOL

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I said that we have a submit page, everyone can submit sample and description. Maybe one of our user scanned the file with MBAM and ours cannot detect it, then he submitted it and fill the same name as MBAM detected, then some new staff in our company may put it into our database. As I said, we are new face in this market, some of our staff do not have enough experience, they might make some mistake.


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Posted 03 November 2009 - 09:46 AM

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I said that we have a submit page, everyone can submit sample and description. Maybe one of our user scanned the file with MBAM and ours cannot detect it, then he submitted it and fill the same name as MBAM detected, then some new staff in our company may put it into our database. As I said, we are new face in this market, some of our staff do not have enough experience, they might make some mistake.


This sounds like if you've been caught with your pants down try to blame somebody else. Putting the blame on inexperienced staff is not the answer.

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 10:18 AM

MVP Steven Burn added back iobit.com in hpHOSTS file: http://hphosts.blogspot.com/2009/11/iobit-...tellectual.html

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 10:26 AM

http://www.mywot.com...ecard/iobit.com
The numbers is decreasing. I mean.. the # of favor to iobit.com is decreasing which means we will see it to turn red when more people rate it as 'not good'

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 11:20 AM

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I said that we have a submit page, everyone can submit sample and description. Maybe one of our user scanned the file with MBAM and ours cannot detect it, then he submitted it and fill the same name as MBAM detected, then some new staff in our company may put it into our database. As I said, we are new face in this market, some of our staff do not have enough experience, they might make some mistake.


As far as I can see there are two bad things that this could possibly imply:

1. Given that MBAM have come out and said those files have not been publicly released there is no way any other person could have them and therefore sent them on.

2. If somehow someone did manage to get a hold of it, you have to wonder what exactly IOBit's antivirus people are doing. When they looked at the file and realised it did absolutely nothing - as MBAM have quite clearly demonstrated with their dummy.exe well why would it be added to their database for? Its not a bad file.


So to me - it speaks of one of two things. Either they are database thieves or based on this explanation they have no idea how to analyse files. Both conclusions lead me to think AVOID LIKE THE PLAGUE!

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 01:53 PM

I have no words.
Shame on IoBit.
Thank you Donna

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 03:59 PM

All the screen shots mean nothing because most will never see them because you got to be a member of the site.

If they really are bad then why would the good guys want to sign-up at a bad guys site to see something?

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 06:12 PM

View Postourstanley, on Nov 3 2009, 03:46 AM, said:

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I said that we have a submit page, everyone can submit sample and description. Maybe one of our user scanned the file with MBAM and ours cannot detect it, then he submitted it and fill the same name as MBAM detected, then some new staff in our company may put it into our database. As I said, we are new face in this market, some of our staff do not have enough experience, they might make some mistake.


This sounds like if you've been caught with your pants down try to blame somebody else. Putting the blame on inexperienced staff is not the answer.


Makes ya wonder about quality control. Ya mean this was released and no one caught it? Okay, like I'm believing this BLAH, BLAH!

P.S. WOT just got another all RED evaluation for IoBit. Gee a unpoliticaly correct poster must have done it.

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Thanks
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Posted 04 November 2009 - 02:18 AM

Heads-up:
- Marcin respond to the denial of IObit at http://www.malwareby...showtopic=29772
- Majorgeeks.com has removed IObit downloads
- CNET.com is looking into this and hopefully they will remove IObit at their download site too

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 03:30 AM

Please take a look here

http://forums.iobit....read.php?t=4826

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"Now That's a Shame... "

The deletion of all of the posts in the "Declaration From IObit" thread.I found the different viewpoints expressed as some of the best reading in recent memory.At least just "move" everyone's input-don't blatantly delete it! That's very disrespectful,and smacks of guilt.



They keep alive another thread

"Innocent till proven guilty"

They are so funny :duh:

I added my comment to WOT and my bad rating too

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 06:34 PM

It appears as if Gizmo's has removed all IoBit products from it's recommendation lists but MajorGeeks declines to do the same. Just the 360 product is not sufficient IMHO, all IoBit products need to be removed. Think it may be time to place the pressure on MajorGeeks and any other outlets for IoBits products.

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